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post Jan 30 2014, 05:15 PM
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QUOTE (Shiruba @ Jan 30 2014, 11:08 AM) *
You're welcome smile.gif I get the feeling Matheus will be killed in the next issue, or maybe even Kenshin. One thing I am confused about though: How come Bon and Matheus don't care about each other anymore?
Did I miss something in previous volumes because they haven't mentioned each other for ages?

I also wonder about it, they are father and son after all. Or they just too busy with what they do now that they don't think about each other.

Would be really sad if Kenshin...
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post Mar 22 2014, 06:43 PM
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Hey, guys. I was trying to search info about the volume 28 and I found this summary:


忍牙刀を習得したとは言え、まだ子であるリゲルが、成犬の、まして、忍牙刀の使い手である正宗を討つ事など不可能だった。 逆に、正宗に人質に取られてしまうのだった。 しかし、正宗の目論見は崩れてしまった。 リゲルを崖に投げ捨てる事で、注意を逸らし、その隙に次の行動に移ろうとするが、放り投げられたリゲルを崖から上ってきた真田入道雲斎が助けたのだった。

雲斎の参戦は、正宗にとって予想外だったようだ。 先に、女子供を皆殺しにすることを諦めた正宗は、オリオンの抜刀牙に驚かされるが、それよりも部隊と合流する事を優先し、その場を離れるのだった。 その後を追いかける、オリオン、銀、雲斎たち。

一方、ウィード率いる奥羽軍とマテウス率いる黒脛巾組の戦いは、一進一退の戦いを繰り広げていた。 しかし、謙信の裏切りがあったとは言え、戦力的には、黒脛巾組の方が勝っていた。 総大将であるウィードが陣頭に立ち、士気があったといえども、やはり、数の差は埋められなかった。 そこに正宗が現われた。 総大将の出現に、士気上がる黒脛巾組。 奥羽軍も、正宗の出現に気が付き、そちらに向かおうとする。 その前に、正宗の飛び掛る謙信。 だが、裏切り者に、正宗は容赦なかった必殺の忍牙刀が謙信を瞬殺してしまうのだった。 無残、謙信。

一斉に正宗に飛び掛る奥羽軍。 しかし、戦闘力は、正宗の方が勝っていたが、複数と同時に戦うことを嫌った正宗は、味方の中に紛れ込むのだった。
敵を全て叩かなければ、正宗と対峙出来ない状況に、雲斎が吼えた。 麓で待機していた、自分の部隊を動かしたのだ。 飼い犬が中心といえども、数に於いて、黒脛巾組を上回った奥羽軍。 戦っていたものすべてが動きを止め、膠着状態となるのだった。

降りかかる火の粉は振り払うが、戦いを好まないウィードは、交渉で解決しようと持ちかける。 だが、正宗は、話で終らせる性格ではない。 今の不利を悟ると、近臣である黒脛巾組だけを動かし、手薄な部分を突破し、逃走を図るのだった。

再起を図るために、逃走と言う手に出た正宗。 その策は、成功したかのように見えた。 しかし、正宗の前に、玄内が立ち塞がり、行く手を遮ったのだ。

玄内に足止めを喰らった正宗は、奥羽軍に追いつかれてしまう。 しかし、ウィードは、この場で再び戦うことを好まず、正宗を行かそうとする。
もはや、近臣以外正宗に味方するものはいなかった。 誰も彼も力で支配され、さらに不利と見たら、近親以外を見捨てて逃げる大将の為に命を捨てて戦うものがいようか?

退かない正宗に、ならばと自分の方が戻ろうと、引き上げるウィード。 そのやさしさが自分を侮辱するものだと考える正宗は、さらに激昂。 単騎で奥羽軍に飛び掛る。 それをいち早く察した弟・山彦が、正宗の前に立ちはだかる。
が、正宗の忍牙刀が山彦を瞬殺してしまうのだった。


Or as Google Translator would say it:


That said have mastered the Shinobukiba sword, and Rigel is a child still, of dogs, that much less, to avenge the Masamune is a master of the sword and Shinobukiba was impossible. On the other hand, had from being held hostage to Masamune. However, the prospectus of Masamune had collapsed. By you throw away the cliff the Rigel, to distract, to try to move on to the next action in the gap, but Sanada thunderhead Hitoshi that came up from the cliff the Rigel that are thrown seemed helped.

Participation in the war Unsai is, seems to have been unexpected for Masamune. Masamune earlier, gave up that wipe out the women and children are amazed by drawing a sword tusk of Orion, but the priority that it merges with the troops than that, had to leave the place. Chase then, Orion, silver, Unsai us.

On the other hand, the battle of black Habaki group led by Mateus and Ou army led by Weed, had engaged in a seesaw struggle. However, it said that there was a betrayal of Kenshin, the strength, the person of the black Habaki pair had won. Weed is the total general stood in Jinto, even the morale there is, again, the difference between the number was not filled. Masamune appeared there. The emergence of the total general, black Habaki sets up morale. The notice to the appearance of Masamune, Ou army, tries to heading there. Before that, Kenshin pouncing of Masamune. However, the traitor, Masamune was the kill the Shun Kenshin Shinobukiba sword ... killer it was not pardon. Miserably ..., Kenshin.

Ou army bang up against Masamune all at once. However, the combat power, Masamune who had won, but Masamune was hated to fight at the same time as the multiple, was the mingle in the ally.
If you do not hit all the enemy, a situation that can not be opposed to the Masamune, Unsai was barking. I was moved was waiting at the foot, the troops of their own. Dog is even the center, Ou forces you in a few, exceeded the black Habaki set. All that had fought to stop the movement, had become a stalemate.

shake off the sparks that befall but, Weed do not like fighting, pose and try to resolve the negotiations. However, Masamune is not a character to end with a story. When you realize the disadvantage of now, move the only black Habaki set a personal attendant, and topped the lax part, had the attempt to escape.

In order to achieve a comeback, and Masamune came to hand to say getaway. The policy, I looked as if successful. However, before the Masamune, Gen-nai is Tachifusagari, I was blocking the way.

Masamune was stuck in a crash Gen-nai is, would have been caught up in Ou army. However, do not like to fight again in this place, Weed, tries Ikaso the Masamune.
Longer, had not intended to favor the personal attendant other than Masamune. He also is dominated by the force anyone, if you see a further disadvantage, no matter whether it is a thing to fight and throw away their lives for general escaping deserted other than the immediate family?

To Masamune you do not retreat, towards you is going back door if, Weed raise. Masamune to think that it is a thing that the kindness to insult yourself, further incensed. I pounce on Ou forces in single horseman. Brother-echo that quickly guessed it, Looming in front of the Masamune.
But, Shinobukiba sword Masamune was the kill Shun the echo.




..... ohmy.gif
Guys, did Masamune just kill Kenshin (for being a traitor) and then Yamabiko?
Btw, the technique "Shinobukiba sword" Masamune uses here is the same technique Terumune taught to Rigel.

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post Mar 22 2014, 10:27 PM
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for some reason i read the google version in Yoda's voice. I hope to get the book off Ebay for a cheap price soon so I can put up a full summary. I really hope Yamabiko isn't dead, but I was kinda thinking Kenshin might be killed.
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post Apr 10 2014, 08:35 PM
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i think i'll be getting the book in the next few days. as soon as i do i'll post the summary as best as i can. my Japanese isn't fantastic but i'll do my very best to help everyone here smile.gif
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post Apr 17 2014, 09:13 PM
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QUOTE (Chani @ Mar 22 2014, 06:43 PM) *
..... ohmy.gif
Guys, did Masamune just kill Kenshin (for being a traitor) and then Yamabiko?
Btw, the technique "Shinobukiba sword" Masamune uses here is the same technique Terumune taught to Rigel.


8I I really hope Yamabiko hasn't been killed.
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post Apr 17 2014, 10:05 PM
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QUOTE (Arano @ Apr 17 2014, 01:13 PM) *
8I I really hope Yamabiko hasn't been killed.

It says Masamune's special attack (Ningatou?) killed him instantly, if I'm reading that final line right.

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post Apr 17 2014, 10:26 PM
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Noooo, I don't want Yamabiko to die, he was one of my favorite characters from GDWO... ;__;

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post Apr 18 2014, 01:44 AM
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QUOTE (Arano @ Apr 17 2014, 10:13 PM) *
8I I really hope Yamabiko hasn't been killed.

It sure looks like it. I got the manga and Kenshin is definetly dead (T-T), and Yamabiko is "killed" in last page. I won't confirm Yamabiko's death until next vol. But by the look of it what it shows from next, Yamabiko looks dead.

And Kenshin died by Masamune hitting him with his paw and rip his throat up. Not a death I think was worthy him...
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post Apr 18 2014, 10:39 AM
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Look at this.

"La 1ere partie de Ginga Densetsu Weed Orion de Yoshihiro Takahashi, se terminera vendredi prochain dans le Manga Goraku."
"The first part of Ginga Densetsu Weed Orion Yoshihiro Takahashi, ends next Friday in the Manga Goraku."
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Here has been informed pretty much the same things. First saaga's last chapter will be published in Weekly Manga Goraku. But people are wondering what does this mean. Will saaga/serie go on?

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Manga Goraku? Need to remember that! Need to find it.
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One thing I don't understand is why are they expecting Orion and his siblings to fight full grown adult dogs if they're still small enough to be picked up by the scruff of the neck? O__o

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QUOTE (ZackThePuppy @ Apr 19 2014, 12:18 PM) *
One thing I don't understand is why are they expecting Orion and his siblings to fight full grown adult dogs if they're still small enough to be picked up by the scruff of the neck? O__o

Don't you worry about a thing, Zack. Their OP policy bear hound blood will magically kick in sooner or later and they'll end up just like their father.

On a realistic note, this is complete horse shit. I doubt any good parent would send their 10 year old out on the front lines (I'm looking at you, Weed, Sirius) of a fucking WAR. Also, Gin dangling Orion off a cliff and telling him to stop lying and being a kid and growing up sent my blood boiling. You cannot expect a puppy to just suck up being a kid and going out and kicking a towel-headed dog's ass. Which most likely will happen knowing Yoshi.

I understand wanting more reinforcements to patch up your blind spots, but YOU.DO.NOT.ASK.YOUR.OLDEST.SON.TO.FUCKING.PARTICIPATE.WHEN.HE'S.STILL.A.FUCKING.KID.

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Also, Gin dangling Orion off a cliff and telling him to stop lying and being a kid and growing up sent my blood boiling. You cannot expect a puppy to just suck up being a kid and going out and kicking a towel-headed dog's ass.

^This.^

As I said, this scene just made me hate Gin more than I already did, because it's beyond cruel to basically say "Go to war because your daddy and granddaddy did, or I'll kill you, myself."

Weed was treated this way in the GDW manga, as well, though to a lesser extent. The Ginga bloodline father-son staple seems to be "if you're not a manly warrior powerhouse, you're not worth my time."

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QUOTE (littlekitsune1 @ Apr 19 2014, 07:05 PM) *
As I said, this scene just made me hate Gin more than I already did, because it's beyond cruel to basically say "Go to war because your daddy and granddaddy did, or I'll kill you, myself."

This is why I liked Gin better in GNG and what I wished his character had been taken into its full potential. He was a naive, yet eager spirit with a(n) (overly-reckless at times) sense of justice and well being, and as OP as he was, it was interesting seeing him grow up surrounded by heavy ideals. But there was also room to flesh out his character more as the series went on, and it would have been pretty cool to see the more intimate levels of his relationships with other characters. He even cares a great deal for his sons, and he grieved the loss of his wife.

But tossing your grandson off a cliff? Just because he's a stubborn, reckless, bratty child who needs a sense of direction? Tossing him off just because he's being a kid. And because he doesn't fully grasp the concept of the cruel and fang-to-fang political policy he was born into? Threatening to kill your own blood because he mouthed off to you- because that's what he knows, and that's what his character is- and for 'not acting adult'.

Gin. What happened to you? Yoshi, what the fuck?

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Weed was treated this way in the GDW manga, as well, though to a lesser extent. The Ginga bloodline father-son staple seems to be "if you're not a manly warrior powerhouse, you're not worth my time."

Yes. How dare my young grandson act like a kid in the middle of a war zone. War is probably just a game to him. It's not like he doesn't fully grasp how heavy the current situation. Better dangle him to his doom and install "real male.exe" so we can force unnecessary and cliche character development. That'll fix 'im right quick.

Honestly, this forced 'mannification' is one of the many things I question when it comes to GDWO, along with "Why does Bella even exist if she got shoved into the back row and doesn't show up for 95% of the manga despite being the next heir to Ohu's throne" and "Why did Jerome have kids if they're virtually useless and just unnecessary pairing filler in GDW 60 that we never see again formally. We don't even know their names- if they have any."
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Is there any news on Matheus? He was a favorite of mine in this clusterfuck of a manga and I'd be super bummed if he died somewhere along the way. I haven't checked this thread in a year+ so I'm not sure what's going on anymore with characters!

I don't know whether I should be surprised or not if Yamabiko got killed... I'm still WTF over Joe being dead and it's been like 2 yrs.

EDIT; HOLY SHIT GDWO HAS BEEN OUT SINCE 2009. That is 5 yrs. I can't believe this. OMG.
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Why do all the fathers in Ginga tend to be shitty ones? Lol.
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QUOTE (Punjab @ Apr 21 2014, 08:58 PM) *
Is there any news on Matheus? He was a favorite of mine in this clusterfuck of a manga and I'd be super bummed if he died somewhere along the way. I haven't checked this thread in a year+ so I'm not sure what's going on anymore with characters!

Matheus is alive and well and still fighting alongside his leader Kurohabaki Masamune.
His younger brother Blanca is dead though and his son Bon doesn't seem to like him anymore and prefers the Ōu dogs' company.
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Ohhh, Blanca was another one of my favorites. How sad! How did he die?

Good to know Bon is still alive and well even if he is a gross lil guy, lmao. I figured he'd join over to the Ohu dogs' side eventually.
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QUOTE (Punjab @ Apr 21 2014, 08:18 PM) *
Ohhh, Blanca was another one of my favorites. How sad! How did he die?

He tried to take a female and her puppies as hostages or something like that. Ogasawara Gennai then killed him.
He was already in quite a bad shape because his head was injured thanks to Orion's Battōga.

It seems like Blanca told Bon to stay with the Ōu army before he died.

I too really like Matheus, Blanca and Bon. smile.gif

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